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Comment Loader Save Story Save this story Comment Loader Save Story Save this story This week on Uncanny Valley , the team discusses the surprising reports of the Trump administration seemingly reversing its stance when it comes to AI safety and regulation. We also look into what exactly is going on with the Hantavirus outbreak, and whether you should be worried. Also, we get into the story of how a former federal employee who was ousted by Elon Musk’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency is now running for office. Plus, a Spirit Airlines laid off employee shares with us how they experienced the company’s shutdown news last weekend and what they’ll miss most about the job. Articles mentioned in this episode: A Federal Worker Was Fired for Filming DOGE. Now She’s Running for Congress What the Spirit Airlines Implosion Means for Your Vacation You can follow Brian Barrett on Bluesky at @brbarrett , Zoë Schiffer on Bluesky at @zoeschiffer , and Leah Feiger on Bluesky at @leahfeiger . Write to us at [email protected] . How to Listen You can always listen to this week's podcast through the audio player on this page, but if you want to subscribe for free to get every episode, here's how: If you're on an iPhone or iPad, open the app called Podcasts, or just tap this link . You can also download an app like Overcast or Pocket Casts and search for “uncanny valley.” We’re on Spotify too. Transcript Note: This is an automated transcript, which may contain errors. Zoë Schiffer : Welcome to WIRED's Uncanny Valley . I'm Zoë Schiffer, director of business and industry. Brian Barrett : I'm Brian Barrett, executive editor. Leah Feiger : And I'm Leah Feiger, director of politics and science. Zoë Schiffer : Today on the show, we're diving into recent reports that the Trump administration is considering an executive order that would establish some sort of federal oversight over new AI models . And we're going to talk about whether this move actually signals a meaningful shift in future regulation of this technology. Leah Feiger : In another surprising turn of events, we're also going to get into how a federal worker who was fired earlier this year for filming DOGE operatives entering her workplace is now running for a House seat . Brian Barrett : We're also going to check in with a Spirit Airlines worker who was laid off after the company shut down. And last but not least, we'll also talk through just how worried you should be about hantavirus . Spoiler, probably not as concerned as Leah is. Leah Feiger : I'm very concerned. Brian Barrett : She's very concerned. Leah Feiger : A good week, you guys. Zoë Schiffer : OK. So it's been an interesting week for the AI industry. On Monday, we heard that the Trump administration announced what, on its face, seems like a pretty big about-face in its approach to AI regulation. The New York Times initially reported that there is an executive order being considered, just at that stage right now, that would create a group of tech executives and government officials who would essentially review AI models before they are released to the public. At the time that this was reported, it wasn't totally clear, at least to me, whether they would just get access to the models and be able to look at them and evaluate them or whether they would be able to say whether a model could be released or not. But it does seem like a pretty significant reversal of the very loose and pointed lack of regulation that the Trump administration has had until now toward the AI industry. Brian Barrett : It's been really interesting to see how as AI models get more powerful, they've sort of hit their limit. I think the Anthropic showdown we've talked about a lot. We're in a new era of, "Oh wait, actually this could be useful to us or terrible for us. We actually do need to set aside some of those free market principles and get a heads-up here." Maybe going to be executive order. I feel like in the past, those have typically panned out to become the thing. I feel like this administration is pretty leaky. So I think this seems likely to happen. I don't know. Zoë, how are companies taking this? Zoë Schiffer : It's interesting because it's happening right as a bunch of these companies, Google , Microsoft , xAI , Anthropic , OpenAI already said that they would give the government early access to their models. And so I mean, I think it's quite interesting, particularly when we think back to JD Vance not that long ago, telling a group of regulators in Europe that the administration was going to take a very different approach to the Biden administration in terms of regulating this technology and really trying to frankly not regulate it. JD Vance, archival audio : The AI future is not going to be won by hand-wringing about safety. It will be won by building, from reliable power plants to the manufacturing facilities that can produce the chips of the future. Zoë Schiffer : So even the possibility that this could change, I think is worth paying a lot of attention to. Leah Feiger : I was pretty shocked by this news for such a deregulatory focused government at the moment. And the administration very much prides itself on that. That is part of campaign ads. That's part of internal conversations with their tech cohort. It's really, we're making this a comfortable place for you to do business and you should feel comfortable here. So this is, again, we don't know exactly how detailed this regulation or, quote-unquote, "oversight" is actually going to look, but I was surprised. I was surprised. I'm rarely surprised. I was surprised. Zoë Schiffer : But this is my question for you. Leah, when we're talking about who is going to be part of this oversight committee or who is even drafting this supposed regulation or executive order, David Sacks is no longer in the mix, at least in the kind of official way that he was. My read was that it was Michael Kratsios and Susie Wiles who are now managing his former portfolio. I'm like, "Sorry, I don't want to be rude," but I'm like, "You're telling me Susie Wiles is the person deciding whether Mythos is too dangerous to release to the public? Come on." Brian Barrett : Known AI expert, Susie Wiles. Zoë Schiffer : No. No. No. No. Leah Feiger : Here's my bad take—is like, maybe I like that. Maybe I like the idea of Susie having to be on her little computer going, "I don't get this. This seems bad." Anything there? Zoë Schiffer : Mm-mm. Leah Feiger : OK. Zoë Schiffer : No. I hear your take and I want to yes and no. Yes and no is what I do with that. Leah Feiger : It's half-baked and I'm not sure I'm actually fully committed to it. But yeah, it's one thing to say we're going to have oversight and then who are the overseers, I suppose. Brian Barrett : Well, and I think so many people who traditionally have cooler heads who are in the Trump administration sphere, who are AI experts, I think there was a real break around the Anthropic Pentagon stuff where they said this administration has gone way too far. This is really hurtful to American AI industry and progress. So I think you're not going to have those people in the mix. And if you don't have those people, the people who are left, I think you're not going to have that. No matter who it is, I think you're running short on people who actually know a lot about what's going on and actually have long-term best interests of both the industry and human people who might be subsumed by it at heart. Leah Feiger : I also wonder how much of this is a play is being able to say, "Look, we are doing this." Because there is just increasing public concern, no matter which way you slice it, about AI threatening jobs, energy prices, privacy, mental health, what have you. This